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Andy Hine MBE · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: THORPE's NEXT COASTER?

With a steel B&M inverter (Nemesis Inferno), a steel Intamin launch coaster (Stealth) , a steel Intamin multi-looper (Colossus), a steel Gerstlauer Euro-Fighter (SAW), a steel Mack family coaster (Flying Fish) and a steel Vekoma indoor coaster (X:/No Way Out) what should Thorpe's next coaster be?
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JamesC · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:02 pm Post subject:

Thorpe should definitely get a woodie next. That's exactly what the UK needs - a major park to build a woodie. When it proves popular other parks around the country will get building them too! Very Happy

c anderson · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:28 pm Post subject:

Lets have a Renegade, but I am surprised that you have not suggested that a copy of Phoenix would be ideal, such fun on a coaster that everybody can ride and enjoy.
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Death · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject:

Well...Before we start discussing ideas for Thorpe's next coaster, let's at least allow them to get their latest one working better and more reliably than a Class 458, at least! Wink

Oh, and my vote goes for a 750ft, 512mph HyperWoodie with a good few high-speed inversions and some insanely tight helixes thrown in for good measure! Twisted Evil

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Great idea Nev Laughing

I'm all for a woodie Laughing

.....................Hmm!
Lets build a"RATTLER" replica Laughing

That will definately bring in the crowds.
AND, it wont break down on launch day Laughing

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Nemesis Nick · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: THORPE's NEXT COASTER?

stealth fan · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject:

Somehow I think Thorpe would'nt invest in a Scenic Railway with a brakeman, save it for the seaside Laughing

Would Voyage fit? Even though I have never ridden a Woodie in the States. It just looks good, as does the Phoenix.
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Death · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject:

Thinking about it, they have now removed the Thorpe Farm branch of the Canada Creek Railway... Wink

If it's possible to make a "quiet" Woodie over at the Thorpe village end, does anyone reckon we could be seeing one with a station around Canada Creek and an interesting out and back layout around the old farm buildings? Twisted Evil

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Coaster Police · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject:

They need an El Toro! That'd be a huge success in the UK, because we simply don't have it or anything that comes anywhere close to that ride! It's just mental! Very Happy

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JamesC · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject:

coaster-andy · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject:

Thorpe with a woody would be great but we will we never see new wood. Take alook at Toverland and that Pholon park who I cannot remember getting a GCI also called El Toro and that has some small coasters in its park. There is room in the park fill in more lake and take it to Treasure Island which was, out back Island behing Rumba Rapids or maybe Stealth to the left abit.
We could get a Balder in there or even a El Toro. I am not holding out hope for any UK park getting a new Woodie.
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Nemesis Nick · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject:

Coaster Police · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject:

http://www.rccgb.co.uk/images/at/at14-0.jpg

And that was 1998.... still nothing Sad

Andy Hine MBE · Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject:

stevencaine · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 12:07 am Post subject:

saw everyday Laughing

there having no luck with that coaster at the moment
Thorpe has go too sort its maintenance out and i do agree the next coaster at Thorpe has too be WOOD

coaster-andy · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:34 am Post subject:

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Andy Hine MBE · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject:

Ryan,

I've found a wooden rattler just for you...

http://www.littlebundles.co.uk/prodpage.asp?ProdID=545
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Nemesis Nick · Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:57 am Post subject:

meatloaf · Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject:

Come on Andy - surely I can't be the only one waiting anxiously for your reply to Nicks questions ...... Laughing

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Death · Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject:

Thinking about it, it might simply be a case of differing technical and legal standards between the two. Smile

Woodies - Having been a part of theme and amusement parks for over a hundred years - Were already established as a relatively safe technology, with updates to the standard only being made after serious incidents like the Battersea disaster.
Furthermore, a standard operational practice for woodies appears to be the dispatching of train 2 only when train 1 has already been stopped at or has passed the safety brake, thereby leaving the entire track and lift-hill clear for the next train.

Steelies on the other hand are still relatively new in coaster terms, and - Being capable of much more complex actions (Loops, heartlines etc.) - They have to adhere to much stricter designs and standards in operation...Hence the greater amount of sensors and control gear required. That, and the advent of fail-safe logic based control systems now allows coasters to be designed that can accommodate a number of cars/trains on the track at the same time, and this alone requires a lot of additional control equipment to ensure adequete spacing and continuity of trains in the system.
Remember that when steelies were first built and operated, safety standards were much higher than they were when the first woodies were opened to the public! Smile

In my past spent playing around with NoLimits, I've created some truly insane woodies - With LIM launches, loops, barrel-rolls and even heartlines - That are pretty much closer to steelies than traditional woodies. When running simulations on those rides though, I've found the number of block related stoppages and pauses to be no less than that of the average steelie! Shocked

As a simple comparison: Next time ye are at Oakwood, compare the difference in the operator's panels between Megafobia and Speed...

The panel on Megafobia - Which contains the entire ride control system - Is a relatively simple device about the size of the average fridge, that only has to manage two trains across three blocks (IIRC: The transfer table is operated manually and isn't part of the ride control system) and doesn't have too much to deal with - Bar checking the spacing of trains, checking that all bars have been lowered before dispatch, and reactively operating both brakes and lift-hill.
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On the other hand, the panel on Speed is a much more complicated design that relays a lot of information to the operator (With the guts of the system being located below the operator's cabin) about status of the ride, lift-hill, brakes and everything else. Aside from Speed having three trains and 5-6 sectional blocks to deal with, the checking of trains and all other parts of the system (Such as the location of lifting "dogs" on the chain) is far more intensive.
Add to this that Speed's transfer table is computer operated (Thus the siding is also included in the continual system checks) and that the computer also pro-actively monitors and regulates train speed over brake sections, Speed's operational control system has to handle and compute a lot more data than Megafobia's!

Conclusion: The reason for Steelies being a lot less "reliable" than Woodies is simply because they are a whole lot more complicated in both design and general operation, and need a lot more checking to ensure that they are working in a safe and proper manner. After all, a precautionary stoppage thrown in the event of doubt is far better than a near miss or bad accident...And steelies - Having more "features" available than a woodie - Simply have a lot more that needs monitoring to ensure that they stay safe! Twisted Evil

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Happy Helen · Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject:

Some people prefer the sound of woodies, rather than steelies.

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ucozade6 · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: Wood has to be wood

I would like it to be wood as long as they don't do something stupid for advertising reasons. E.g. a launch woodie that has a naf layout like Rita.

Am I missing something? Why is it (apart from trying to sell something as a world's first) that some of the UK parks don't go and ask for something similar to a golden ticket award winner? Why is it they would not take as suggested on here and go and build a world beating woodie by copying closely a wodie from the states. People would flock to a ride that did not cost £700 in air fares? I realise planning permission for a woodie is as hard and as frustating as trying to convience Argos not to play their Christmas CD yet but, stop trying constantly to build ill concieved world's first and build quality. (Rant over). LOL

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nemesis scribe · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject:

How about a ride made out of plastic . . . an example could be like one of those 'exciting' slides neme Nick keeps telling us about?? Wink

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reg · Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:54 pm Post subject:

All I have to say on this matter is 'Ravine Flyer 2'

Thanks :O)
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USfriends · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:07 am Post subject:

Hey Adam

Does it make you feel weird having the same first name
as Nemesis Nick?

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frosty · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject:

Reg is right - if they are going to put in a woody best make it a good one: Ravine Flyer II, El Toro - something of that ilk.

Once more and more of the UK public sample such wooden delights then appreciation will grow and it could only be good for the park in terms of publicity and word of mouth. Other parks may then follow suit.

Nice to see the votes are for wood and er, wood Smile

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nemesis scribe · Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject:

bluea61 · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:35 am Post subject:

I doubt Thorpe would bother with a woodie, they like cheap and painful What about a Pinfari?
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nemesis scribe · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:05 pm Post subject:

BAGuru · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject:

If a park wants to bring in the punters they should look at building a wooden coaster, something on the lines of RENEGADE, RAVINE FLYER 2, CORNBALL EXPRESS or even LOST COASTER OF SUPERSTITION MOUNTAIN. Look what happened when Oakwood put in MEGAFOBIA !!!
It has to fit in with space and terrain and must have the back-up of a good maintenance team. We have ridden some coasters in the past which were, to put it mildly, rough as old boots (Ryan - you know the ones I'm talking about!!) coz they weren't maintained.
Steel is thrill but for sheer enjoyment it has to be WOOD.
And what is WOOD.............???
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Coaster Police · Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:03 pm Post subject:

Flammable! Laughing

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BAGuru · Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject:

LOL

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